tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post8362975392528293423..comments2023-09-29T06:09:21.089-04:00Comments on Ask a Manager: rejected for an internal promotionAsk a Managerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05281942480230532899noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-12247257569246067112010-09-17T15:32:02.400-04:002010-09-17T15:32:02.400-04:00I think the approach of keeping your options open,...I think the approach of keeping your options open, both outside and within the company, is best in this type of situation. <br /><br />If you feel as if they have passed you over without solid reasoning, it may be best to look for another job without stepping on too many toes on the way out (never know when you may need a reference from one of them). <br /><br />However, if they are truly sincere when they say they would like to help you build your level of managerial experience up and commit to giving you the things needed to get the next promotion that becomes available to you, then waiting around a little longer may not be such a bad idea. <br /><br />I think having several options is what's best here. That way you can do what you feel is best for you, and not have the company pulling all the strings when it comes to your career and your future.Byron J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-67338562031386015092010-09-15T23:01:54.397-04:002010-09-15T23:01:54.397-04:00Anonymous right above me, I think that's a ver...Anonymous right above me, I think that's a very sane and level-headed take on it. Well said.Ask a Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05281942480230532899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-49558149822096893992010-09-15T22:29:08.357-04:002010-09-15T22:29:08.357-04:00Let me get this straight. Three years with the co...Let me get this straight. Three years with the company. Three promotions in that time. That sounds like an extremely supportive and rewarding company to work for, to me. Perhaps OP is a bit too overeager and impatient. It's not reasonable to expect a promotion every year. A year is barely enough time to master the responsibilities of the new job, let alone to the extent necessary to take on more responsibility.<br /><br />Also, I don't think it's fair of OP to compare merely years of experience with the candidate chosen. There are more factors to consider than simply 'number of years of experience'. Each person has natural aptitudes and talents. And each person has unique experience that no one else has, the result of both chance and opportunity. <br /><br />The OP sounds like they are feeling a bit wounded and emotional, and that's normal in this situation, I think. But making a professional move with that mindset may not be wise. Perhaps it would be better to cool down first, and see how things shake out. The new guy may not work out. Or maybe the new guy will turn out to be OP's champion and help them get a promotion next time around. Perhaps OP is wrong about the new guy's level of experience and their deserving of the position. Let the dust settle before you make a decision about your career.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-14621464363018777672010-09-14T19:32:21.790-04:002010-09-14T19:32:21.790-04:00I would see if you can't get that title! If yo...I would see if you can't get that title! If you ACT as a deputy manager, and the only reason you didn't get hired was because you'd never had a "formal" position, it seems like all you're missing is the title, and maybe they'd be willing to give it to you, given that you're clearly serving as the deputy to the new guy?<br /><br />And I'd go ahead and see if you can manage temp employees. Even if its not the job you wanted, if it will help you get the job you want, its worth it!<br /><br />And for the record, in my experience if the company says you're good, and they want to develop you, and especially since they were so honest with you in the first place, I think they really are telling the truth. It never helps to look for greener pastures, but definitely continue to water your own yard!Kimberlee Stienshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16894679824873709457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-12291432458366340692010-09-14T17:45:24.653-04:002010-09-14T17:45:24.653-04:00It sounds like the same-old "can't get ex...It sounds like the same-old "can't get experience without experience" double bind to me. <br /><br />I think it's also harder to move within a company since you've pretty much assigned a place in the ranks and someone would have to think about you in a different way. <br /><br />It took me a long time to move from one department to another for that reason, I think.<br /><br />Ask your supervisor if you could help with something they do on a regular basis to make their job easier. You'll get some experience as well as get some inside scoop on up-coming jobs, or have a real reason for other people to see you in a new light. <br /><br />Jamie said ..."Keep those people happy..." Management doesn't really care if you're happy as long as you can do the job and are relatively easy to manage. Companies pay a lot of lip service to "development plans" but in the end it's up to you to make it happen whether it's internally or with another company.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-40479934702188613462010-09-14T14:05:07.335-04:002010-09-14T14:05:07.335-04:00After reading the first paragraph, I arrived at th...After reading the first paragraph, I arrived at the same conclusion as the author of this website.<br /><br />I believe you should half-heartedly looked for new job. You are not being challenged, as you desire.<br /><br />You are probably very loyal to your company, working your way up through 3 promotions. That is an admirable, rare trait for a Gen Y'er (coming from another:)<br /><br />Update your linked in, with your recent experience managing people and projects. You will most likely receive inquiries from Recruiters. You can decline them. <br /><br />Believe it or not being an employed or "passive" candidate makes you more attractive to companies and recruiters. You knowledge is up to date, instead of 6 months old, for a 6 month long unemployed person.<br /><br />You may receive an offer for a dream job. And you'll interview with more confidence, as "it doesn't matter if you get this job or not." You will be more bold and more of yourself.<br /><br />If you move to a new employer, do not say its because you were passed over. Tell them, truthfully so, that you are looking for a new challenge, and did not find it within the organization.<br /><br />And then roll up your sleeves to wrestle that dream job! :)David Shermanhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/davshermnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-34481069418153175282010-09-14T13:53:45.157-04:002010-09-14T13:53:45.157-04:00Jamie, that's SUCH a good point. Always check ...Jamie, that's SUCH a good point. Always check your premises in cases like this -- have a candid, straightforward conversation so that you're sure that you're very clear on how everyone involved sees things, which increases your chances of making the best decisions for yourself.Ask a Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05281942480230532899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-26276995477961594722010-09-14T13:50:19.919-04:002010-09-14T13:50:19.919-04:00There is one more thing I would do, if it were me....There is one more thing I would do, if it were me. I would sit down with my manager (informally) and see if my perception of being an invaluable employee is shared by the company. <br /><br />There are definitely top performers who, for various reasons, might not get a particular promotion - but they generally want to keep those people happy as they fit into the company's long range plans. <br /><br />On the other hand I think we all work with people whose honest assessment of their performance/value differs radically from that of management.<br /><br />Can't hurt to make sure you're on the same page as your manager.Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-19155476256388117302010-09-14T13:43:39.075-04:002010-09-14T13:43:39.075-04:00One of the recent posts here was about how much to...One of the recent posts here was about how much to trust your gut regarding hiring. I think this applies on the other side as well.<br /><br />The offer of the hiring manager to work with you toward management could be lip service or it could be a genuine offer to mentor you in the areas you need the experience. <br /><br />If you take him/her up on it as AAM said their follow through will tell you what you need to know.Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558939360732260529.post-31293997332217713882010-09-14T13:33:29.873-04:002010-09-14T13:33:29.873-04:00They've obviously made their decision and didn...They've obviously made their decision and didn't feel like they could take the risk on promoting from within. I think that tells you more about your future with that company more than anything else.Jeff Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701602600662849251noreply@blogger.com